When is It Safe to go Back?

Mar 20 2013

So I'm sure this has happened to many of you at one time or another. You're excited because you're on the way to your favorite AMP to see your ATF. You pull up and it looks like the lights are out. You ring the doorbell and knock, but there's no answer. Your next plan of action is to call the place. HmmmÃ¢â¬Â¦no one picks up or it just goes straight to voicemail. Then you realizeÃ¢â¬Â¦shit this place is closed! You might start to panic. What about my back up locations? Are they busted too? Who will give me my happy ending now dammit!!?!!

Another scenario: you're watching the local news on TV. The hot anchorwoman mentions the police department has arrested and shut down several massage parlors in your city. The undercover sting has netted cash, illegal living conditions, condoms, and parade sad looking mamasan and her girls out in handcuffs. You could see the same scenario in your local newspaper or on the internet.

Now you're thinkingÃ¢â¬Â¦glad you weren't there when all of this was going down. But reality sets in and you're asking yourself, what now? How long do I wait this thing out? Should I drive to the next city to see what's open? Should I quit now and count my blessings? Do I use escorts now? These are questions that are facing fellow mongers from Lafayette, CA to Bridgeport, CT. All of sudden, all the parlors are gone.

Mongo is here to offer some options when this happens to you. These places tend to re-open. They will be under a different name, with a different owner. But most will still be offering the same services as before. Wait it out for a few weeks. Then come on here and see what other people are saying. The board has pretty good chatter from fellow mongers about the latest update in each city. Remember you are not alone. There are others in the same exact situation as you. If you can't or won't wait, then check out the scene in the nearby cities. You might discover a hidden gem. So in conclusion, it's okÃ¢â¬Â¦no need to panic. Shit is going to happen, but they will never completely close every shop. Where there is a demand, there will always be a supply. Monger on brothers, monger on.

Check the newest massage parlor reviews in Columbus, Ohio

Dragon Spa and Reflexology 1984 Hard Rd Columbus, Ohio 1 week ago	Dory	$60	11.5 mi
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7 Day Spa 4889 Sinclair Rd #104 Columbus, Ohio 2 weeks ago	Misha	$65	7.3 mi
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On Time Spa 1508 Hubbard Drive Lancaster, Ohio 1 month ago	Erica	$60	24.1 mi
Green Shade Spa 820 Sunbury Road #606 Delaware, Ohio 2 months ago	Coco	$60	23.1 mi
Asian Massage 2151 E Dublin-Granville Rd Columbus, Ohio 2 months ago	Coco	$60	8.9 mi
New Spa 451 EastWilson Bridge rd Worthington, Ohio 3 months ago	Coco	$60	10.3 mi
White rose Asian spa 5230 westerville rd Westerville, Ohio 4 months ago	Wendy	$60	9.1 mi
Elegant Massage 3735 Old Columbus Rd NW Carroll, Ohio 5 months ago	Susan	$60	22.2 mi
MIMI SPA & MASSAGE 1269 Log Pond Dr Newark, Ohio 6 months ago	Lisa	$60	31.3 mi
ZZ Spa 1496 Morse Rd Columbus, Ohio 6 months ago	Cici	$60	7.1 mi
Troy Massage Spa 11 S Norwich Rd Troy, Ohio 9 months ago	Coco	$60	65.2 mi

micastcher1 :

04.29.2014 12:21:45

It is easier to "break" one if you tip with cash rather than credit card. A high tip on a credit card puts management management on alert that something else is going on. How many times do you go to a place before "breaking" one? For me, more than one time is too many. I want HE on the first visit, not have to beg over time to try to make a conquest. Mongering is not about frustrating. It's about getting the HE that I need. If I want to beg and get nothing, I'd stay home and ask the wife to open her legs.

squeeze5590 :

04.27.2014 10:04:32

Lot's of good information on here. There are two communities that I visit to get a nice relaxation. The first one is actually a ladies spa...yes. All asian women though. Usually wait up in the lobby with other clients (if there is a wait) and I pay my session with a credit card (fully secured from prying eyes). The receptionist lets me take the stub with me and at the end of my massage, I show the attendant how much I put on the tip line. I'm done after that. This is a super legit place with no signs of any HE or anything else. I was able to "break" three of the girls and see them frequently. Another place is about 60 miles away. I know the community extremely well and even eat and dine in the area. I usually survey the streets (main, alley, cross streets) and also do my own "fake stake outs" and sit across parking lots to see who is coming in and out. I turn off my cell phone 5 miles before I get to the area (you know how those cell phones work right). If it's new, I plan out the route on google maps and look at satellite imagery. I leave my wallet in the car, only take a money clip with ID, just enough $ and a credit card.

dr-stan-lee :

11.30.2013 04:35:48

It just so happens that my son's taekwondo class is nestled in the heart of Korea-Town, and my favorite AMP is right around the corner. Now I'm no fool, I would never roll the dice and visit the AMP while my son was in class, how would that look? I'm getting arrested while my son is waiting for me to drive him home only to find out that I was porking a Korean massage girl and he's gotta wait for mom to come get him. No way, but I do my visits when I have my own time. I have a set of rules much similar to the ones I have read in this thread. I never bring my wallet or my phone. I never ask for anything but a massage. In the place I go, the girls will close the door and immediately get undressed, I don't ask them to, I just tell them how comfortable and lovely they look. I never negotiate the price, they tell me what they want, and if it's too much, I tell them no. No haggling, they lower the price and I nonchalantly agree. I never hand them the money, I pull it out of my pocket while I'm dressing and put it on the bed and usually say something like "for college" or "get something nice with this". I never give my real name and usually lie about my occupation and tell them I am in construction. Since I don't have my phone with me, taking a picture can't happen, but once I undress, I keep my underwear and one of the rolled up towels on the bed with me, that way if the LE comes in I can toss them on and drape myself. Finally, the one rule that all of us must follow, never ever be an asshole. These girls are here to make money. The LE will offer them a good amount to drop a dime on you, but if you are a genuinely nice person to them and a repeat customer, you build a good rapport and they will consider that when being questioned. They will continue to make money off of you instead of a one time sucker's deal with the LE.

basicallystupid :

09.03.2013 22:56:26

I remember last year seeing on the news that they raided 3 places in Garbage Grove. I drove past all 3 the next day and there was open signs on all of them. The good thing about cities running out of money is that they no longer go after these places. The Back Page listings are pretty explicit now and there have been no raids!

the violator :

07.15.2013 17:18:21

IMHO , just like when aunt flo is visiting. Give it 5 to 7 days and if the open sign is there go on in.

hikeke :

07.13.2013 10:07:06

@prezcolc, you actually aren't screwed if you get caught. If you have the time before they bust you, all you gotta do is wear your underwear, take a picture of yourself in the room proving that you aren't fully nude, and make sure there's no condom in the room. Bam you are free to go

prezcolc :

06.26.2013 13:06:33

A lot of these posts are incorrect. Firs each state is different in their laws and it can vary greatly. Then there is the law and there is reality. In California, there has to be conspiracy to engage in prostitution. Conspiracy is loosely defined. It does not have to be words or money exchanged, it can be phrases, lingo, expressions, or body language. The real kicker is that police lie often in these reports and even if you are looking for a legit massage, if the police report says something different, you can be convicted. If a person has a previous conviction, it is even worse because the prior can be used against you if you fight it and you will almost certainly loose despite what really happened. Here is the point, if you are anywhere inside a AMP, you are at risk regardless of what you intend to do. There are some things you can do to mitigate risk. - Avoid places you aren't familiar with - Join sites that have reviews like redbook or humaniplex - Never bring up sex or hj services - Look at the parking lot and street for SUV's or Vans with tinted windows and people inside if you really want to take extra steps - drive around the block a few times any bust will have a prep area nearby with more than one police car or unmarked vehicles - audio record the session conversation, so if the girl sets you up and you did not agree to any sex act you can prove it in court (this is rare in AMP but more common in a street sting) And remember all the caution in the world is not 100% foolproof. The biggest thing I do is stay with people/places I know and if it is someplace new, be ready to go out empty handed as to avoid any legal problems. And finally, never admit anything. But I think most of us know this. I do agree with not going in with wallet to unknown places, this is to prevent from being robbed and losing your most important things. Also, the amount of cash you have on hand can be used against you in court and the police confiscates all your money. I know this because I have been very careful and did not break the law and got cited 2 times. If I had a recording, I would have walked, but the police lied. I knew it was a bust and I said no thank you and drove away, but the police report was totally falsified. I had to plea. Be careful and have fun guys.

ph :

06.25.2013 10:50:44

@ salemfun and everybody else: what's the suggestion? If sharing info can be tricky, how can we do it without jeopardizing anyone?

salemfun :

06.23.2013 12:27:15

With all of the reviews posted on the MP web-sites could jeopardize the girls ' job and future. This is how the LE knows whatever the girls are doing. It is sad to see the girls could get in trouble just because some of us "Kiss and tell" .... even just a hj. ....

charlesrussell86 :

06.21.2013 13:37:21

AMP Veterans help a brother out. I've been going to AMP's for a few years, about one a month. Experimented a lot, but got FS only once. Can someone PM me and give me some tips on which spa to get it from and how to ask? Thanks :)

flashy0ne :

06.15.2013 00:18:47

and this site is also being talked about in news as well for example: "The spa is advertised on the website rubmaps.com, where customers rave about the very personal services the employees provide. People who live in the neighborhood said they are fed up." http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/06/14/residents-demand-nypd-get-tough-on-alleged-sex-spas-in-brooklyn/ stay safe people

flashy0ne :

06.15.2013 00:12:01

massage parlors out in Bay Ridge Brooklyn is under fire of suspicious massage spas, so be on alert people. seriously why do they care, they need to get rid of the child molesters

chasmar :

06.14.2013 00:47:40

Thanks for the tips bro's. I always gave the tip to the girls in there hands after FS. I thought nothing of it. Like a fool I take everything with me, wallet, cellphone, and cash without really thinking if LE will be there. Now that I know, I will leave those things in the car. Better to be safe. Thanks everyone

micastcher1 :

06.06.2013 23:55:52

I leave my cell phone in the car (turn it off before you get to the parking lot), and I also leave my wallet in the car. As I said before in this thread, do not hand the money directly to the provider after you have had a HE or FS, or anything of a sexual nature. Leave it on the table after the provider leaves the room to get you some water. That way if there is a bust and you are implicated, she cannot testify that you paid for the service that you received. Since she did not see you leave the money, and you did not put the money in her hand, there is no proof who left the tip. Could have been the previous customer for all they know, and you can't be forced to say that it was you who left it there. If you use an escort, they generally want the money before doing anything. Put it in an envelope and leave it on a table, counter, etc. in the room where she first greets you when she isn't watching you, like when she goes to get you a drink. She will take you to the play room, and then go retrieve the envelope. So she won't see you place the envelope, and you won't see her pick it up. If the connection of the money cannot be made, there is no proof against you. Only speculation, which is not admissible.

retiredat40 :

05.17.2013 17:41:20

Bring NOTHING on your person that's identifying, no cell phone, never give your number to the mamas an (i.e. "if Gorgeous comes back to town, call me." Ya, the next time you hear from her it'll be a Korean-speaking PD waiting with cuffs. Bad idea. I always handed the $$ to the girl, trusting I can get out of there, but that's always in the back of your mind. OH! Before you go in, scope the place out, look if there's anyone with a video cam or microphone...or anyone scoping YOU out. If so, pretend you're going to the bar down the road or something. If anything seems weird, it's probably for a reason!

cedarthehorse98003 :

04.27.2013 14:10:50

Wether you have a girlfriend wife or fwb one way or another you are ultimately paying for sex, at least with the amp you get what you want when you want and don't have to put up with the rest of the drama 24/7

jerrysss :

04.24.2013 03:58:18

Different girls handle tip situation in different ways... Fs or BJ will almost always let you know the price before with the hand gestures, Chinese or HJ service may not even mention the tip but you know its expected. As far as roaming , thats up to the girl. She may feel it comes with the HJ or she may ask for extra. What you describe as your experience is not unsual.

cocochinoi :

04.23.2013 21:49:33

I have noticed something, i wonder if you guys have experienced the same. About 2 weeks ago when I hit my first few AMP's, the providers, after the flip, would make the jack off hand motion and after confirming or asking the damage, they would either say the amount, 40, or show hand amount. Fast forward 2 weeks later, i get some funds and i go for another round, this time around, after the flip, there is no hand motion, no asking permission to touch there, they just do it naturally. They start with a short theatric around the johnson and then go to work accordingly. And then from there, I go along with the service and try to get as much as i could get in roaming. At the end of the session, they hang around for the longest time possible, acting as if they're fixing the room but really waiting for the tip and once you pull it out to assure them its gonna be given, i see a sigh of relief. This is the 3rd time now i've gotten HJ happy endings, with some crazy roaming in the kitty and breasts, where no tips was discussed or mentioned. If this is a new way of doing business then I guess its an attempt to foil LE. But speaking of LE, i seriously believe the only AMP's that get busted are the ones where the owners don't pay their property rent to the Police Captain or City council. A business this profitable, it's not absurd to think that corrupt officials wouldn't want to get a piece of the pie instead of shutting it down. I also noticed the, "We support Police" decals, smacked right in the front door, what does that tell you.

cougx :

04.23.2013 16:41:36

@"micastcher1" Very true. Child molestation is a real crime, sex between two consenting adults agreeing for extra services with a proper transaction at the discretion of their own privacy is not only as victimless as can be, it's a good activity considered a beautiful thing (whether you pay or not) by a large amount of countries who not only consider it a legal thing now but a silly thing to try to impose with the law.

micastcher1 :

04.23.2013 14:54:54

I'd rather LE go after the Catholic priests who are molesting children. To go after providers in an AMP is wrong. The actions in an AMP are between two consenting adults. Now, if the providers in the AMP are there as a result of human trafficking or sex slave trade, I have a problem with that, and those places need to be shut down.

micastcher1 :

04.23.2013 14:52:44

LE will touch them. LE knows that the cases on providers will never go to trial. Mamasan will pay the fine for them and send them to another AMP in another town to work.

cougx :

04.21.2013 19:09:47

@ jerrys Yes,I think touching is the best one since I don't believe LE would do that or be allowed to if undercover, The only other one I can think of is the classic gently grabbing the masseuses hand and directing her toward your privates.

micastcher1 :

04.21.2013 17:19:28

One thing I am always concerned about when a place gets busted if whether the police take mamasan's cell phone and get the phone numbers of the clientele from it. I have been to a few AMPs that were shut down, but so far no knock on my door.

micastcher1 :

04.21.2013 17:17:25

Never hand the money directly to a provider/escort. Put it on the table without saying anything to the provider. It also is better if she doesn't see you place the money on the table. In some states, it's against the law for someone to hand money directly to a provider. Even better would be to put the money in a plain envelope and put it on the table. Again, without saying anything to the provider about it. Ask her to leave the room for a minute if you have to. When she comes back she will find it, but if she didn't see you put the money on the table, she can't testify in court that you were the one who left the money there, in case the place gets busted.

jerrysss :

04.18.2013 12:10:39

When you say you get nothing does that mean not even a handjob? Are you going to Korean or Chinese? Chinese are basic HJ but 3/4 of K-AMPs I have been to are FS ( HJ, oral and straight sex ). If Chinese, then make the jackoff motion after massage and they'll get the message. If Korean they usually just make a motion or simply ask what you would like and you point to or touch their hand, mouth or their pussy. Don't be shy about touching. They then hold up ever how many fingers the price is. They don't want you to mention money if its your first time with them. They might hold out their hand to be paid first or they may hand you your pants(don't put them on, just take the money out). Reviews are good but not always completely reliable. Remember, if you want it all the first time, go Korean... My 2 cents

cocochinoi :

04.18.2013 10:24:46

can someone tell, how the hell does one get full service. i just started AMPing and i looked at the reviews of places where they pretty much listed that the place was a green light for full service. I went directly to these places, with full funds in hand and NOTHING. I even went to the same place twice so to get the newbie stench of me and they recognize me and don't have to ask me 200 times if i've been there before and i still got nothing. My question is, how long did some of you monger before you finally got full service. anything i am not doing. I don't talk much, like asking so to be safe but with my pecker standing at attention ready to break, that should be message enough to ask me if id' like more. I'm limited on funds so i'd like to make the best of it when i withdraw it and make it worth while. Anything would help, guys.

satya :

04.04.2013 10:00:55

In my city, home of the NFL champion Ravens, the police seem to act only after a community organization or neighbors complain. I return without delay if the Mamasan answers the phone. I don't worry about the police because there is nothing they can do to me if I keep my mouth shut. The number of people who foolishly speak to the police thinking they can talk themselves out of a jam is very high. They should keep their mouth shut because without self incrimination the police have nothing but you fucking at worst and the provider is not going to say you paid.

biffbiff :

04.01.2013 22:38:37

Newbie on this board, but a grizzled old monger of 54 who's been at this game quite awhile on four continents...and I can't resist giving jerrysss kudos for putting our dear little friend zozored in her place. --And zozored, did you seriously think your cute little name-calling would bother jerry -- or most of us here? With certain exceptions, we're intelligent and mature men who came to terms long ago with the fact that we're paying women for sex. Many of us actually prefer that to the alternatives -- and with good reason. For many of us, premium membership and an AMP adventure every week are mere pocket change. If we are "driving this hobby to shits" for you petulant penurious puerile perverts who will quibble over $20 or $40, then more power to us. And I must say, it's clear that we respect these women a heck of a lot more than you do.

gigantor :

03.31.2013 00:04:42

Gigantor has a little sumthin to add here.. As a dedicated Monger in the SGV there are many options opened, and Gigantor likes keeping options opened . Now it helps that the SGV is a veritable playpen, and Los Angeles is just damned AWESOME when it comes to Providers Available. That being said, your Gigantic Monger Brother travels much, and looks for an option per day, for Justin. In case you've never net him, that's Justin Case. Bottom line, the Gigantic One has a Mrs, and she is a hottie who gives her blessings provided her Gman keeps coming home w/out something transmissible. It's all about Variety. When all else fails, a man's got to hand it to himself...

jerrysss :

03.30.2013 03:35:10

zero, my dear close and wonderful impotent friend, your inibility to work within the AMP system amazes me. With your charming demeanor and your skilled mastery of the Englih language, I would think that you would be able to negotiate with the best of us and have a very satisfying experience during your visits to the spas, both sexually and money wise. It also amazes me that you might think that your name calling bothers me. I think its kinda cute. Reminds me of when I was thirteen years old with immature balls. I commend cougi for stepping in and acting as a father figure trying to appease your whiney complaints but it appears that even his patience may be growing short. Perhaps you could discuss your failure to stand on your on two feet with your mother. I'm certain that you would find her to be underatnding and maybe even join your movement to boycott AMPS. I would say more but I have to go wash my butt. I have an early appointment with a granny. Your pay, jerry (oh, I mean Jerky)

cougx :

03.29.2013 20:39:28

@ "zozored" Believe me, its all been covered in the forums, blogs etc. There's nothing you can do as far as the problems you got, so take it or leave it. These are just pet peeves you have seemed to collide with here, and many places have them. Many restaurants use false advertisement too, it looks better in the ad and then when you get your meal what do you get instead? I have never been to a restaurant that served me that far of an ingredient but like I said I go elsewhere if I had too. These women offer what the ad says, a massage and a woman, and it doesn't go that far off by giving you something else like a man instead of a woman to please you. So it's all about quality here, and if you don't like the quality of the woman then like I said before, off you go, somewhere else or to do something else. I do know some places where the women are younger then in the average AMP but I guess you're not having any luck. The only reliable good suggestion I can give to you is to save up money and make a trip to a country in South East Asia with a hell of a red light district (Thailand, Philippines etc.), there's a lot of young ladies from which you can choose there and a lot of selection, trust me. As for everything else out here good luck because these AMP businesses are only growing.

jerrysss :

03.29.2013 11:42:46

zero, ole buddy.. so you're starting a movement,, thats great you need a movement.. a bowel movement... you're full of shit..

cougx :

03.29.2013 01:42:36

@"zozored" Buddy relax, what does that have to do with raids? These places can be run by the owner or owners however they want to. If you don't like what you see then you simply take your business elsewhere. I mean you don't go to a restaurant that gives you the food you don't like obviously you go somewhere else, but it doesn't mean we have to out them out because someone doesn't like it. Some people like them mature because of the experience or other reasons, and many others simply don't mind. It is what it is we don't all get to choose what we wish was exactly inside these joints.

ash1228 :

03.28.2013 20:55:33

hey, if anyhone s looking and can respond fast enough, where should I go and who should I ask for as it's my first time in this particular town. I usually always hit up the ocean spa as it seems every town has one. LOL

the violator :

03.28.2013 14:58:25

I live in a sunny tourist city that Canidians love during the winter. Having conversed with many of those patrons. The city would see a noticeable drop in vacationers here, if your a tourist city why bite the hand that feeds you.

biteme23 :

03.25.2013 14:36:28

I was in one in 2007 in Montana that was busted when I was there, believe me I was scared shitless, I was questioned, and thank god nothing was going on at the time of the bust, I was actually covered up due to the girl was kind of nervous, however that didn't stop her from reaching under the towel and playing. I thought i would give up going, however I can not stay away, since my divorce, it is the safest and easiest place to nut :)

cougx :

03.24.2013 01:21:48

For every 1 AMP they close down 2 to 3 new ones open nearby in the next city and sometimes in the same area. This all happened to me two and a half moths just into getting into the hobby. When I started out there were 2 AMP's I knew of. Well only into the two and a half moths of stardom LE's started busting every single AMP in this city that I was visiting. The city didn't have too many AMP's but still LEO's raided the fuck out of them. I still remember watching the news when they made a report on one of them, I was shocked. Months later the city was dead off of AMP's that gave extras, however in the cities next door suddenly dozens of AMP's start to open, I mean they just popped right after this city died. AMP's are now going strong in my area, but then again I live in So Cal.

coolbreeze4 :

03.23.2013 09:55:18

I agree with polodick: It's crazy that police are out there arresting a girl giving hj while Andre is out there looking for a citizen to shoot,or dealing illicit drugs to teenagers. I guess the police are looking for an easy bust just to say they are doing something to quell the scofflaws.

racer2 :

03.23.2013 06:13:38

Like they dont have any thing better to do..c

jackl101 :

03.22.2013 08:26:26

Although Iam burning out on my current ATF I can rest assured that she is not going anywhere soon as she just signed up for a new morgtage in our town .As far as her getting shut down shw goes very low key even writing bad reviews about her services to disuade the general population from wanting to come in.This is having an adverse reaction as her business is hella slow cause the mongers are going to the FS parlors here or making the 30-60 minute ride for their HE/FS elsewhere

thomas.6528 :

03.21.2013 19:29:04

LE raided three places in a city nearby, arresting 6 providers. The 3 AMP's were closed for a maximum of three months before they re-opened. Some changed names, other still kept same name but had new providers. Services that were offered then are now being offered again. I waited for months before going back to one, visited others just one time and never gone back. I now have my favorite AMP's that I go to and don't expect them to get shut down because they operate very low key.

sa1g0n :

03.20.2013 19:13:43

I was recently in N'Silver in Dallas when LE came in. MS screamed something in Korean and my mp jumped up and ran out of the room. It was one of my favorite places and they knew me there but now I'm leery of going back. LE hauled off one of the MPs for a CA warrant. I stood around giving LE a little drunken grief. Luckily they didn't show up about 5 minutes later - could have been me in the cuffs. BTW when the smoke settled we got right back to a great AG session.

liger298_new2014_53b3caa543786 :

03.20.2013 16:29:45

Damn that looks like my Lily!!!

original213 :

03.20.2013 15:52:53

Good blog post Mongo... I normally wait like 2-3 weeks before hitting a place that was previously shut down or I think are under surveillance. Just be aware of your surroundings boys...

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